Movies that will always be in your DVD collection

Including those who have made films ABOUT Welles

Postby Flint » Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:10 pm

As a further addendum, I pulled out my old March '99 issue of American Cinematographer where they polled readers on the best shot films of all time, broken into two groups: Post & Pre 1949. Orson's respresentation is staggering. Here they are for everyone's elucidation:

Best Shot Films 1894-1949

1) Citizen Kane
2) Gone With the Wind
3) Sunrise
4) Metropolis
5) Wizard of Oz
6) Magnificent Ambersons
7) Casablanca
8) Potemkin
9) The Third Man
10) The Birth of a Nation

Best Shot Films 1950-1997
1) Lawrence of Arabia
2) The Godfather
3) 2001: A Space Odyssey
4) Days of Heaven
5) Schindler's List
6) Apocalypse Now
7) The Conformist
8) Raging Bull
9) Blade Runner
10) Touch of Evil

Something that I can't help considering is that "Touch of Evil" cost a fraction of the other films represented.

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Postby Sir Bygber Brown » Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:49 am

Maybe the answer to this is obvious, but why do you think they chose 1949-50 as the break point?
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Postby Sir Bygber Brown » Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:02 am

I'm shocked - no Kurosawa, no Fellini. I couldn't bear to make such a list and leave off Rashomon and 8 1/2 at the very least.
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Postby Flint » Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:08 pm

Sir Bygber-
The 1949-1950 break is of course arbitrary, but they wanted to give an even shake to those films & filmmakers that didn't have access to the film technology that the later filmmakers had. Also, 1950 is approximately around the time that studios started using a wider aspect ratio than 1:33.

In answer to your second comment, Kurosawa & Fellini are, in fact, included. The list for each section goes to 100. I don't know where Rashoman & 81/2 fell in, but if I remember, 8 1/2 at least was in the top 20. The article is really facinating and a great way to help pick video rentals. It's worth trying to track down a copy!

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Postby blunted by community » Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:47 pm

i love fellini. criteriun's 8 1/2 disc is loaded.

if any one likes von stroheim, i've seen 2 kino discs well worth checking out, QUEEN KELLY, and FOOLISH WIVES. kino is doing excellent work. super supplement. they make a very nice package
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Postby Sir Bygber Brown » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:59 am

i was reading this book called "150 Great Directors" or some such title and went straight to the section on Fellini and was disheartened to see the sorry sod had repeated the same old claptrap everybody who's never seen a Fellini film likes to say (like the joke in Annie Hall): sure, La Strada was a great film, but after 8 1/2 he just got indulgent and messy. My god that annoys me. Amarcord, for example, is post-8 1/2, and its one of the most beautiful films i've ever seen. And this "indulgent" business, i've never understood - what is an artist, after all, if not someone who satisfies their own whims. Who else's whims do they have to satisfy? And if such whims exist, if they follow those instead of their own, are they an artist at all? Maybe its just the old trouble of the movie business having its hand in both honeypots of art and commerce - those who are trying to judge based on commerce, appealability-to-the-ticketbuyers and convention, would naturally say that early Fellini has wider appeal than later Fellini, but those same people would also have to say that 2001 is "indulgent." But a circle of people who consider movies an art form would say that an artist who follows their whims to their fullest like Kubrick of Fellini (or Welles, when they let him, but he suffered from other circumstances and starting much earlier than the others) is much truer than someone like Scorcese who (by his own admission, and with Gangs of New York as a prime example) does his best to try and work with the business-side of Hollywood and make movies that will both satisfiy his artistic inclinations and make money.

Holy hell what a diatribe! I feel like Mel Gibson!
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Postby Glenn Anders » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:29 am

I should think that 1949-1950 was picked as the demarcation for three reasons: 1) the date marks the advent of TV; 2) the date is the real last gasp of the B&W film, no matter if occasional pictures like TOE and SCHINDLER'S LIST were made later; 3) 3-D was upon us briefly, without much effect -- but Widescreen made a profound difference, from then to the present.

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