The Black Rose on BBC2 today

[maxrael]

Apologies for the short notice but BBC2 are screening the 1950 film 'The Black Rose' starring Orson Welles at 1:25 pm TODAY!!!!

Don't know if this is only of interest to UK members...
(i.e. is BBC2 available via satellite etc?)

[Welles Fan]

We only get a channel called BBC America on our satellite dishes here.

[Obssessed_with_Orson]

thanks for the notice, maxrael

tis a fact. we only get the bbc america. i don't think it's only in the interest of people in the uk. but i think only those in the ok will have access to it.

that's what sucks the most. when movies we're trying to find are finally played on tv, we think "well, it's about time" and we think of all the channels we have. then we see what channel it's on, go through our list, and end up going, (awe shit!) well, that's the first words out of MY mouth anyway.

once i found the tvonline guide actually made a mistake. i was recording (gladiator) and the movie was called 'gladiator' but the moron who put it in the guide of the star musta thought, "oh, gladiator. he's in this movie". but it wasn't. so i got a copy of a movie, supposed to be during midieval times, about generals and emperors, with prisoners in chains. turned out to be a small town in or near l.a., about a white boxer. oh well. won't go bye the on line guide for that movie anymore.

bye now!

[Obssessed_with_Orson]

for those of us who do not have bbc2, in march, the black rose (yeah, an additon to the family) will be played on fox movie channel. if you have that long list of channels, don't get mixed up, like i did, between fox channel (channel 4 or 11) and fox movie channell.

it won't be on til the 26 and 27th, but will be on.

bye now!

[maxrael]

Alas i tend to agree with Jeff's views in the "Welles as Actor" section of this very site... i made my girlfriend and one of my mates watch it at the weekend when we were all really hungover and the whole thing seemed pretty ridiculous. (daytime BBC2 films always seem well-suited to a hangover!! IMHO)
They hated it! i thought it was watchable (it's all subjective!), but i wouldn't want to see it again!!

For what it's worth i thought OW was good in it, he always seems so relaxed and in command in front of the camera... sadly though he's only in around 10 scenes. Strange as it was listed in UK TV guides as: The Black Rose starring Orson Welles!!

In other news, my Jane Eyre DVD hasn't turned up yet! grrrrrrrr!

atb,
max!

[Obssessed_with_Orson]

sadly, in prince of foxes, it's the same thing. in probably less than 10 scenes.

some of the movies are good seeing at least once. just to see who, what, where, when, why and how orson does.

as for his patience, oh man. i can't believe his patience in that commercial he does. "in july" - "no amount of money is worth this" or something similar. what patience he had. not even yell.

bye now!

[catbuglah]

Bought a bootleg coy of Black Rose because I enjoyed the Welles directorial influence in Prince of Foxes - but alas did not notice any Welles influence in this one, although the camera seemed more fluid and more dynamic than the other. Nice sets. Lots of 180 degree camera shifts during dialog i.e for the first half of the phrase you see a close-up face talking, then you see the back of the head for the other half - are you allowed to do that?

Coridally,

Mark

[Store Hadji]

I'll have to wait for Black Rose to show up on TCM, as I don't get either BBC America or Fox Movie Channel.

Orson is wonderful as the Borgia in Prince of Foxes, even if he isn't on screen too often. But Everett Sloane is in it too, and I love watching any of the former Mercury in their post-Welles appearances.

I don't remember anything about Black Rose. Perhaps I've never seen. I think I confuse it with The Tartars, which is quite bad as I recall, though not as bad as David and Goliath (which had Hilton Edwards in it, billed as Edward Hilton!)

[chrissie]

We watched Black Rose on TV a while back, maybe last year. I think it's been on again recently. I thought its heart was in the right place, but it drags. The direction (and script) is leaden. Orson clearly didn't give much of a damn about it all.

[catbuglah]

I don't remember anything about Black Rose. Perhaps I've never seen. I think I confuse it with The Tartars,

Well the story (although I didn't really pay attention as I was only paying watching for possible Welles-directed scenes) is about Tyrone (who's improved a bit acting-wise over Prince of Foxes) being a bastard son who's father dies and leaves him some thing in a will if he accepts the Norman rule of England - then he fights with his granfather and wanders off to go to Kublah Khan with a guy who's a real good archer - so Orson plays Bayan, a Mameluk with a vaguely British accent, who's the wickedest warrior ever, and they join his caravan to meet Kublah - and then they find some girl who was raised Arab but is in fact English and she wants run away to England with them - so they go to China and are made prisoner and then they go back to England to live happily ever after. The End.

Cheers,

Mark