How We Got Bit By The Bug - The Ontology of Orson Obsession

Welles' friends and family, business dealings, beliefs, etc.

Postby Kevin Loy » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:26 am

As I have come to assume, I am probably one of the younger members of this Welles community. I was a mere child of 5 at the time of Welles passing and in all honesty knew nothing of the man for half of my life, nor much of films in general.

You were still older than I was.

Honestly, I would love to add something substantial and pertinent to this, but my words would come off as mere malarkey of the highest (or lowest) order.

That having been said, I can still recall occasionally hearing about Welles during my youth. In fact, the earliest memory that I have of him, even if only tangentially relevant, is a magic show that was on TV. I have no idea whether I just have a stilted memory of it, but I think it took place not long after his passing, and I remember one of the opening titles from Citizen Kane being on the screen, with the magician announcing that he was going to communicate with him, using a phone.

A more substantial occurrence took place back when I was in junior high school (8th grade, actually). I had an English teacher named John Shea, the sort of fellow who was really too intelligent for his profession (though he thought that I was an intelligent person and good writer...hah!), and I recall one day that he mentioned Orson in passing (as he would occasionally do with certain figures), which I did find to be a bit striking, even if it was the somewhat typical depiction of Orson being a "brilliant man who wasted away his final years" (as true as that might be, to some small extent).

It was after that point that I really began to notice Orson's presence, whether it was in documentaries like The Man Who Saw Tomorrow or even in minor nods, like Pinky & The Brain (I have to admit that I still think it was a rather good show). I still didn't actively seek his films, though, because my main preoccupation during those years was music (well, it still is, actually, because [in my mind] there's very little in this world that can compare to Igor Stravinsky or Sun Ra).

That all changed when Citizen Kane was released on DVD. I'm not quite sure what I expected to see, but it was certainly different from everything that I knew, and even that I was led to believe about the film. I still think that it is an astounding film on many levels. Of course, as somebody with a dedicated love for sound, the soundtrack (meaning both Bernard Herrmann's fantastic score and the actual aural composition of the film as well) was particularly striking, and perhaps one of the things that I appreciate the most about his films, but so was the visual composition, which I felt had the stroke and balance of a great painter.

It belies me to go beyond this point, which would end in nonsensical blather that has been elucidated elsewhere by far more talented people.
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Postby Roger Ryan » Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:28 pm

In fact, the earliest memory that I have of him, even if only tangentially relevant, is a magic show that was on TV. I have no idea whether I just have a stilted memory of it, but I think it took place not long after his passing, and I remember one of the opening titles from Citizen Kane being on the screen, with the magician announcing that he was going to communicate with him, using a phone.

Kevin - This "illusion" you mentioned was on one of David Copperfield's television specials. Quite effective I thought. I believe Welles befriended Copperfield when he was quite young, but as I recall, the illusion he performed on his show featured a clip of Welles from the 40s or 50s and was specifically shot to be used as part of a live stage show for another magician of that era. Copperfield's special would have dated to the late 80s or early 90s and I believe he purchased the film clip to use for himself, possibly having someone "dub" in Copperfield's name to make it look like Welles was speaking to him. I can't remember more, but believe that the film image of Welles reveals a card selected by a member of the audience.
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Postby Eve_h » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:15 pm

- please excuse for interrupting - To Kevin and Roger - in 'This is Orson Welles' Jonathan Rosenbaum mentions that in 1952 Dick Himber presented a live card trick that he performed with Orson Welles in a film segment. The same film segment was later used by other magicians - including David Copperfield as early as 1978 in a CBS-TV Special.
I'm very happy to have a VHS-copy of one of Copperfield's TV-specials, where he performed the trick with Welles - must be from the beginning of the 90s - but Copperfield certainly did use it a few times since 1978 ... I remember Copperfield recalling to the audience how Welles was one of his great idols and that he met him once - showing a picture of them together - maybe from the 1978-special.
I discovered an older thread, also with discussion about this particular trick ... Magic trick
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Postby Gordon » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:13 pm

When I was 16 I took Jim Naremore's class on Orson Welles.
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Postby Store Hadji » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:37 am

Gordon, you've got to tell us more about that! Have you got your syllabus and notes stashed in a cardboard box in the attic perhaps? I'd love to hear more!
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Postby jaime marzol » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:04 pm

Orson Obssession:
BACK IN TIME:
my contacts with Welles were fleeting. When I was 12 years old, leaving a theater with parents after seeing THE AFRICAN STAR, my mother commented, Orson Welles had plastic surgery, "Didn't you see how his face melted in the sun? Plastic surgery melts in the sun, and that is why he looks so different in every film."

My mother knew everything.

My next encounter came when I needed to expand my knowledge of film noir, bought a bunch of books on the subject. Of course, welles, and CITIZEN KANE were mentioned for starting the film noir look. But I had already tried to watch KANE years ago and never made it past the MARCH OF TIMES sequence. So I tried to watch it again. Never made it past the MARCH OF TIME sequence.

It's early to mid 1980, pre-answering machine days. 3:30AM. My phone rings, it's an ex-girlfriend, she says, "you gotta put on TNT. This old guy is really cool."

I put on TNT. It was the BBC OW STORY. It had been on for 20 minutes. Within 4 minutes this figure on screen captivated me, I put in a vhs tape, and recorded him.

I was hooked. Watched that tape many times. When I watched it I felt regalled with his charming pressence. Witty, funny, eloquent, he spoke like a man of the world, a man you could picture breaking bread with the great leaders, and crown-heads of Europe (which he did). He was the type of man you never want to interrupt. You just want to keep filling his wine glass, and keep him talking.

The OW BBC STORY started it for me, then TOUCH OF EVIL, KANE, and david bordwell kicked that hook so far down my throat it will never come out.
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Postby David N » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:55 pm

I also taped that BBC interview with Welles and love it. Unfortunately I lost the tape a while back and sincerely hope Criterion can include it as an extra if/when they release another Welles feature. Sitting there with his big cigar and that bow around his neck, he made it seem cool to be overweight. Yeah, just keep that wine flowing...
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Postby Store Hadji » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:31 am

There a couple versions of that. The first was The Orson Welles Story done as two episodes of BBC Arena circa 1982. Second was the TNT version, cut by about 40 minutes and premiered as Orson Welles: Stories from a Life in Films circa 1989.

The BBC version shows up on ebay - that's where I got my copy. It's pretty well traded by collectors and you shouldn't have trouble replacing your copy.

Dunno if Criterion will or even can release it. Seems like the BBC could release their version and Ted Turner could release his, though.
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Postby chrissie » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:50 am

I got mine from ebay too -- is that the one with the first couple of minutes missing? I'm hoping for a complete one at some point.
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Postby Store Hadji » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:58 pm

I don't think mine has anything missing. But they're all bootlegs from various sources, so running time and quality will vary.
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