OW, John Wayne and Communism

jaime marzol · Post by **jaime marzol** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:44 pm

to me a facist is some one who feels that people are not intellegent enough to take part in choosing leaders, and voting, and making choices in life. wayne felt that a small group of people should make those choices for the masses. people like that i see as facists, no matter how right they are; people are not intellegent enough to do most of those things.

mteal:
i see your point in van stratten. i always liked the boob. he fits in perfectly in a welles film; the romantic lead no one wants to be. welles never gives you any one to identify with and root for. that would be too easy. no one wants to be kane, or the sappy leland, or georgie, or eugene morgan, or mr. wilson, or ohara, or macbeth. no one wants to be his othello, or van stratten, or vargas, or k. prince hal is the closest to a character that an audience might root for and want to live through his experiences, but not really. not like in a hawks, or ford film.

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Le Chiffre · Post by **Le Chiffre** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:10 pm

welles never gives you any one to identify with and root for. that would be too easy.

I agree, and I suppose one could argue that that's a flaw in Welles's movies. The viewer is merely an observer at a party of very strange people.

jaime marzol · Post by **jaime marzol** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:14 am

i never saw it as a flaw, but it is. it is something that the average viewer needs, and in some small way it could be part of the reason his films were never popular. what viewer didn't want to be alan ladd, or bogart beating up bad guys and romancing starlets? not giving you a character to live through was one of his idiosyncrasies that he was probably not aware of. and yes, you are like an obsever at a party of strange people. that is exactly what a welles film is like.

R Kadin · Post by **R Kadin** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:01 am

once rasputin had to carry a big horn, that's it, no more prophet, just another guy with a horn.

Jaime, I couldn't let that marevellous little zinger go by unheralded. A pithy bit of brilliance, that. Would-be despots and messiahs of the world be warned! Great stuff. On a par with Harry Lime's "cuckoo clock" speech. Just great!