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Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:39 pm**

allan douglas that was in charge of the hendrix estate

The main man with the not-quite-so master plan - One the last things he did was pretty good - too little too late...The Hendrix blues compilation

- I think it's been ressurected into the new stable - he finally realized that purple was THE signature color for the Hendrix logo :;): I think they even market this Scorcese history of the blues documentary soundtrack thing...

Posted: **Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:21 am**

Lawrence French has posted many fascinating posts, and the excerpt from the Dreamers is no exception. I was wondering what other members thought of it. Personally, I find it so "poetic" that it is impossible for me to imagine it playing in a film. I just can't picture a modern audience (say, of the last 50 years) sitting through this without laughing out loud at it's verbosity. My guess is that this is one of the reasons it never got financing, whereas projects immediately before and after it did, or almost did (such as F For Fake and Big Brass Ring). In addition, the object of this verbal excess would have been Oja Kodar, who has no acting talent whatsoever, further making the whole thing ridiculous. I am aware ,though, that perhaps I am a hardened character, and not sensitive enough to appreciate the Dreamers.

I'd like to hear others' opinions on this script excerpt.

Posted: **Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:06 am**

Tony:

I think you are correct, because Gary Graver said THE DREAMERS got rejection notes saying things like, "too poetic" or "not suitable for the screen."

So I guess poetry in motion pictures is something that is not suitable for the screen, at least in Hollywood's view.

Francois Truffaut summed it up beautifully when he said:

In my opinion, all the difficulties that Orson Welles has encountered with the box office, which have certainly put the brakes on his creative elan, stem from the fact that he is a film poet. The Hollywood financiers (and, to be fair, the public throughout the world) accept beautiful prose—John Ford, Howard Hawks—or even poetic prose—Hitchcock, Roman Polanski—but have much more difficulty accepting pure poetry, fables, allegories, fairy tales. There is no point in congratulating Welles for remaining faithful to himself and not making concessions, since he couldn't have done otherwise, even if he wanted to! Each time he says "Action!" he transforms vile reality into poetry.

However, Orson Welles has made films with his right hand (Kane, Ambersons, the three Shakespeare adaptations, The Immortal Story, The Other Side of the Wind) and films with his left hand (the thrillers). In the right-handed films there is always snow, and in the left-handed ones there are always gunshots; but all constitute what Cocteau called the "poetry of cinematography."

Of course, THE DREAMERS falls into the category of a Welles film with snow, just as Truffaut's FAHRENHEIT 451 combined the poetry of Bradbury's words with snow and Bernard Herrmann's music to create pure poety. But given that THE DREAMERS dealt with the world's greatest Italian opera singer, is set in Italy and the Alps, and also featured a young boy soprano, I can't imagine anyone better than writing the score for the film than the Italian maestro, Ennio Morricone.

In fact, if someone should ever make THE DREAMERS, Morricone would be the perfect composer to write the music for it.

Posted: **Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:03 am**

ToddBaesen wrote:However, Orson Welles has made films with his right hand (Kane, Ambersons, the three Shakespeare adaptations, The Immortal Story, The Other Side of the Wind) and films with his left hand (the thrillers). In the right-handed films there is always snow, and in the left-handed ones there are always gunshots; but all constitute what Cocteau called the "poetry of cinematography."

Thanks Todd for that superb Truffaut quote, but I wonder if "Mr. Arkadin" is a film that Welles made with "both hands" considering if contains both snow and gunshots?!

Posted: **Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:29 pm**

Thanks Todd for a superb post. :;):

Posted: **Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:53 pm**

Tony, Todd, Roger: Agreed on Larry's contribution.

Question: Might fire and smoke be the unifying principle in most Welles' films?

Glenn

Posted: **Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:55 pm**

Yes, this extract is extremely poetic and cinematic if we consider what film art is capable of as opposed to the industry. This would have made a great film. Perhaps if the BBC had comissioned it like those Jonathan Miller adaptations of Lewis Carroll and M.R. James and left Welles alone, it really would have worked. Thanks to Todd and others for their comments.

This is really an outstanding extract!

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:44 am**

Thanks Derek for letting us know that "The Dreamer" script is online (for now):

http://www.hollywood.com/news/movies/55 ... e-dreamers

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:52 am**

Fantastic! Thanks for the link.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:25 pm**

At last!

Posted: **Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:43 pm**

The Dreamers screenplay is no longer available at this site.
Does anyone know where I can find it elsewhere?

Thanks!

Posted: **Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:46 pm**

Colmena wrote:The Dreamers screenplay is no longer available at this site.
Does anyone know where I can find it elsewhere?
Thanks!

You can find it at https://www.wellesnet.com/orson-welles-scripts-online/

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:47 pm**

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:55 pm**

It won't last long, but it's nice to see it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzXqrmo_KNE

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:54 pm**

Thanks, Terry. Nice to see the whole 22-minute version online, even if it is probably for just a short time.

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